FORT MYERS - The following is the Beef 'O' Brady's Top 25 high school football poll. First place votes are in parentheses, followed by classification, record and points.
I see Trinity and NFC getting some love for 1A, but what about Ft. Meade?
Posted on 11/2 7:33 PM | IP: Logged
great poing Cope - I think there are folks that have overlooked a few teams and that's a good thing...
Posted on 11/2 9:21 PM | IP: Logged
Its time Niceville starts moving up the Polls!!
Posted on 11/3 1:50 AM | IP: Logged
You've still got Dwyer ahead of Niceville, so I'd say somebody needs to watch some film!
Posted on 11/3 3:04 AM | IP: Logged
have you seen Dwyer?
Posted on 11/3 8:05 AM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by Mr HiSchool: have you seen Dwyer?
Yeah, Whats wrong with Niceville?
They pull there starters early 2nd Half, Do they need to RUN UP THE SCORE for style points?
Posted on 11/3 8:59 AM | IP: Logged
Dwyer and Niceville are going to play for a state championship....they'll get to decide their rankings on the field.....I'm gonna go ahead an predict Niceville vs Dwyer as the best state title game this year
Here are my picks for the week. I decided to move a few new names in there this weekend. Still a little surprised other voters aren't moving Venice up higher just yet. Anyway, here you go.
1. STA
2. Lakeland
3. Glades Central
4. Booker T. Washington
5. Miami Northwestern
6. Dwyer
7. Venice
8. Miami Central
9. Niceville
10. Dr. Phillips
11. Plant
12. Armwood
13. Columbus
14. St. Augustine
15. Miramar
16. Charlotte
17. Manatee
18. Deland
19. Pahokee
20. Tampa Bay Tech
21. Ely
22. Apopka
23. Tampa Catholic
24. Winter Haven
25. Southridge
Posted on 11/3 9:39 AM | IP: Logged
wow!! I guess you heard about the additional injuries that Bolles had Friday.
Posted on 11/3 4:25 PM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by Cruzmoney:
Originally posted by Mr HiSchool: have you seen Dwyer?
Yeah, Whats wrong with Niceville?
They pull there starters early 2nd Half, Do they need to RUN UP THE SCORE for style points?
Did they pull their starters in these games?
Pine Forest W 28-20 Godby W 24-21 Lincoln W 41-34 Pace W 42-28
Posted on 11/3 5:23 PM | IP: Logged
WHY DID CHARLOTTE FALL SO MUCH AFTER LOST TO VENICE WHO HAS NOT LOST TO A SCHOOL IN FLORIDA IN TWO YRS IN REG SEASON. VENICE BLEW MANATEE OUT AND CHARLOTTE LOST BY THREE BUT HAD A CHANCE TO WIN AT VENICE WITH 1:38 TO GO
Posted on 11/3 5:46 PM | IP: Logged
They did not pull their starters in any of these games.........however..the Godby game was played WITHOUT Roy Finch...and if you know anything about Roy Finch you'd understand why that is significant....also keep in mind that Godby played for a title last year and very well may again this year......The Lincoln game was the first game of the year and remember that Buck Allen actually played in that game....Buck Allen is more important to Lincoln than Finch is to Niceville....if Allen wasn't hurt Lincoln would be rolling right now.........Pine Forest is ranked #8 in 4A and there is a history between them and Niceville...no one is going to blow out Pine Forest...and Pace is probably the most well coached team in FL..and the worst called game for visitors..........so to sum it all up...yeah those were relatively close games for Niceville...however the competition is a bit better than say Okeechobee, Palm Beach Lakes & Gardens, and West Boca Raton......Niceville is going to be really hard to beat...
Posted on 11/3 5:54 PM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by S_typejag19: They did not pull their starters in any of these games.........however..the Godby game was played WITHOUT Roy Finch...and if you know anything about Roy Finch you'd understand why that is significant....also keep in mind that Godby played for a title last year and very well may again this year......The Lincoln game was the first game of the year and remember that Buck Allen actually played in that game....Buck Allen is more important to Lincoln than Finch is to Niceville....if Allen wasn't hurt Lincoln would be rolling right now.........Pine Forest is ranked #8 in 4A and there is a history between them and Niceville...no one is going to blow out Pine Forest...and Pace is probably the most well coached team in FL..and the worst called game for visitors..........so to sum it all up...yeah those were relatively close games for Niceville...however the competition is a bit better than say Okeechobee, Palm Beach Lakes & Gardens, and West Boca Raton......Niceville is going to be really hard to beat...
That's not the real question. The real question is are those teams better than Pahokee, Glades Central and Atlantic?
Niceville is undefeated so they should be given some credit. But if you can't blowout Lincoln then you're probably not the best team in the state.
Posted on 11/3 10:44 PM | IP: Logged
I don't think any of those teams are better than Glades Central...but I could see Pine Forest and possibly Godby giving them good close games.....Pine Forest is better than Pahokee and Atlantic...and Godby could play with both of them...I don't think Pace is as good as any of the three....and as far as Lincoln is concerned....the Lincoln team in week 1 compared to now is like day and night......Buck Allen is one of the best players in FL....if Lincoln hadn't lost him for the year than they would still be in the mix.....It is no coincidence that Niceville beats Lincoln by 7 and then Pine Forest blows out Lincoln.....Also no one is saying Niceville should be the best team in the state...but personally I think they are amongst the top 5 and definitely #1 in 4A.....
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Mike L, Still no love for Cocoa what is it going to take. Now that I keep reading on here that Bolles is have some injury issues. If they beat them they will sitll not get any love.
S-typejag, I would have to add Cocoa to you list of giving Glades a game.
Posted on 11/4 9:22 AM | IP: Logged
Just to clarify - St. Auggie is 8-0 but it shouldn't make a difference in the poll. The Yellow Jackets will be going for win #500 Friday vs. Palatka.
Posted on 11/4 10:42 AM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by johnmowery: Mike L, Still no love for Cocoa what is it going to take. Now that I keep reading on here that Bolles is have some injury issues. If they beat them they will sitll not get any love.
S-typejag, I would have to add Cocoa to you list of giving Glades a game.
Who did you want Cocoa to be ranked ahead of? Why?
Posted on 11/4 11:39 AM | IP: Logged
Mr. High school, have you seen Dwyer this year?
Elam? Will run over you McClaine? Outstanding The TE O'Leary? Wow
Lost B. Glade 21 - 7 Beat Gardens 46 - 0 Beat Pahokee 34 - 6 Beat Atlantic 49 - 7 Beat Lakes 41 - 0 Beat Park Vista 41 - 0 Beat Okeechobee 48 - 0 Beat Royal Palm 67 - 0
If they end up Against Hillsborough or Armwood? wow And they will get to host
Posted on 11/4 12:01 PM | IP: Logged
John,
After the Cocoa/Bolles game I will have a feel for this Cocoa team in where they belong. Obviously if they win a big boost up the polls but winning isn't the key more than finding out how good they are. Bayside and M. Island are alright test but hasn't really told us anything. Next Friday will.
Originally posted by Mr HiSchool: have you seen Dwyer?
Yeah, Whats wrong with Niceville?
They pull there starters early 2nd Half, Do they need to RUN UP THE SCORE for style points?
Did they pull their starters in these games?
Pine Forest W 28-20 Godby W 24-21 Lincoln W 41-34 Pace W 42-28
Buck Allen was playing for Lincoln at the time!!
Lincoln is night and day different!
Posted on 11/10 4:00 AM | IP: Logged
Mike, Gainesville definitely deserves a spot in the poll. They're definitely better than some of the smaller schools listed.
Posted on 11/10 8:22 AM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by Mike Hodge: Mike, Gainesville definitely deserves a spot in the poll. They're definitely better than some of the smaller schools listed.
Gainesville has gotten plenty of votes to possibly be included in the Top 25 and I really do like the Hurricanes. However, that loss to Lake City Columbia is really holding a lot of voters back IMO. Not that the Tigers can't be good in the playoffs but they lost to a team with three losses. Madison County is going through the same thing with their loss to Godby. The defense for the Canes is very stellar though, no question about it. You could make a strong case for Gainesville but for some voters, along with myself that Columbia game still sticks out. Beating TC is good but when you look at the rest of the schedule it's not overly difficult.
This post was edited on 11/10 8:56 AM by Michael L
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Michael: That's the problem with this and other HS polls, Beef's and the FSWA's.
1) Voters tend to over penalize a team for a loss in September. And it's not as if Columbia's horrible. If I'm not mistaken, they won their district.
Hence, teams that duck quality competition stay ranked because they keep winning; teams that play people slip up, but improve throughout the season never crack the rankings.
2) Not enough voters see enough teams, so they judge off final outcomes which can be deceiving instead of evaluating a team's particular skill set. Gainesville can throw it, run it and they have a lot of speed on defense.
Posted on 11/10 11:10 AM | IP: Logged
Mike you do a great job covering HS football and put is a lot of time. But when ever someone brings up why a team s not ranked you seem to bring up there schedule. So here is my question to you. Bolles is always hight on everyones list and they don't play anyone ever until the secondr round TC and the final..
Posted on 11/10 12:07 PM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by Mike Hodge: Michael: That's the problem with this and other HS polls, Beef's and the FSWA's.
1) Voters tend to over penalize a team for a loss in September. And it's not as if Columbia's horrible. If I'm not mistaken, they won their district.
Hence, teams that duck quality competition stay ranked because they keep winning; teams that play people slip up, but improve throughout the season never crack the rankings.
2) Not enough voters see enough teams, so they judge off final outcomes which can be deceiving instead of evaluating a team's particular skill set. Gainesville can throw it, run it and they have a lot of speed on defense.
1. The problem with that is you have to penalize a team when they lose to a three loss squad like Columbia. This is nothing against the Tigers but they aren't not in a strong district and the teams they have defeated aren't even that strong for that matter.
2. Not all teams are like that. Bolles is the lone exception to the rule because the staff all over the state feels very comfortable with the product they put on the field. Teams that improve throughout the year have made the Top 25 but it's up to them winning in staying there. The fact is if you play a three loss team, and that's really your toughest opponent and you don't play another squad that tough and you lose it's really hard for anyone to justify them being highly ranked or ranked at all to be honest. Now with that said you are pretty much preaching to the choir about Gainesville because I do feel despite not playing a lot of tough teams they are Top 25 worthy. But the argument of Columbia being a strong opponent is a tough to one to justify at this stage.
In the end we have to use all factors when determining why a team should or should not be ranked. Now with the Bolles argument that's why I put the Bulldogs so low on my list. I know what they have as a team but other deserving teams that have played tougher schedules deserve to be ahead of them. To be honest I could put Cocoa up there as well and that's a good argument by John because he makes a solid case there when base things on the regular season. I'm just not sold on Cocoa based on what I've watched with their games on film. This is why I'm very excited to see that team Friday night.
Posted on 11/10 1:41 PM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by Mike Hodge: Michael: That's the problem with this and other HS polls, Beef's and the FSWA's.
1) Voters tend to over penalize a team for a loss in September. And it's not as if Columbia's horrible. If I'm not mistaken, they won their district.
Hence, teams that duck quality competition stay ranked because they keep winning; teams that play people slip up, but improve throughout the season never crack the rankings.
2) Not enough voters see enough teams, so they judge off final outcomes which can be deceiving instead of evaluating a team's particular skill set. Gainesville can throw it, run it and they have a lot of speed on defense.
I only have one vote but I can tell you over the weekend I study countless hours of game film in watching these teams over the weekend even if I'm not there. I don't go by perception but what I see as reality from that team at this current time. I think anyone could make a strong disagreement with Bolles being on my list and Cocoa not. I could do like everyone else and put Bolles high but I just feel they have to prove themselves against the tough competition.
Posted on 11/10 1:47 PM | IP: Logged
Bolles is on the top of many list do to records over the years. But if you look at the schedule ther is not one team on it that would be in the top 50 until they get to the playoff. Maybe you can fill everyone in does Bolles aviod playing the ST Aug Ribuals, Raines Jaksons up there or are the public school afraid to play them. I have tried to find out is the Bolles stadium on Campus and are is the crowds there is seating tuff. Like most small schools.
Posted on 11/10 2:43 PM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by Michael L:
Originally posted by Mike Hodge: Michael: That's the problem with this and other HS polls, Beef's and the FSWA's.
1) Voters tend to over penalize a team for a loss in September. And it's not as if Columbia's horrible. If I'm not mistaken, they won their district.
Hence, teams that duck quality competition stay ranked because they keep winning; teams that play people slip up, but improve throughout the season never crack the rankings.
2) Not enough voters see enough teams, so they judge off final outcomes which can be deceiving instead of evaluating a team's particular skill set. Gainesville can throw it, run it and they have a lot of speed on defense.
1. The problem with that is you have to penalize a team when they lose to a three loss squad like Columbia. This is nothing against the Tigers but they aren't not in a strong district and the teams they have defeated aren't even that strong for that matter.
2. Not all teams are like that. Bolles is the lone exception to the rule because the staff all over the state feels very comfortable with the product they put on the field. Teams that improve throughout the year have made the Top 25 but it's up to them winning in staying there. The fact is if you play a three loss team, and that's really your toughest opponent and you don't play another squad that tough and you lose it's really hard for anyone to justify them being highly ranked or ranked at all to be honest. Now with that said you are pretty much preaching to the choir about Gainesville because I do feel despite not playing a lot of tough teams they are Top 25 worthy. But the argument of Columbia being a strong opponent is a tough to one to justify at this stage.
In the end we have to use all factors when determining why a team should or should not be ranked. Now with the Bolles argument that's why I put the Bulldogs so low on my list. I know what they have as a team but other deserving teams that have played tougher schedules deserve to be ahead of them. To be honest I could put Cocoa up there as well and that's a good argument by John because he makes a solid case there when base things on the regular season. I'm just not sold on Cocoa based on what I've watched with their games on film. This is why I'm very excited to see that team Friday night.
Mike: I'm not saying that Columbia is necessarily a "strong" team. I just don't think the loss is as bad a loss as the pollsters believe, particuarly when it's early and on the road.
I've seen GHS play; they're better than Tampa Catholic and at least as good or probably better than anyone in 2B; that includes Pahokee and Bolles.
Also, I didn't mean to imply that you personally hadn't seen a lot of games and a lot of different teams. I know you take the poll seriously and I respect you posting your ballot on FV.
Posted on 11/10 4:08 PM | IP: Logged
I know you didn't Mike don't worry about it. I just have a difference of opinion on the teams. I wish we could get that game set up for Gainesville vs. Tampa Catholic because it would have a good gauge on both teams. I think overall while Gainesville hasn't gotten in there the respect factor is starting to move up. If you think about it no one was really talking about that team before the season and now they are receiving votes. They have a good shot to keep winning and move their way up. I'm like you though I love their hard hitting defense.
John,
The stadium is right at the school. You really can't miss it because it's off San Jose Blvd. I can understand why so many question Bolles with that schedule but when no one will schedule you or want to play the Bulldogs there's not a lot you can do about it. Bolles goes out of their way to schedule anyone that will listen regardless of being on the road or at home. I can understand some schools being hesitant when you think about how well they have fared the last time they've faced teams like Godby, and St. Augustine, not to mention Ribault and Raines.
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